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Topic - (11-27-2006) Monday update! Maybe we should always start the week this way?
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San Mateo
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Greetings all! We have good stuff for you this week. Please listen to the modcast as we have a topic that we need your help with.
modcasts play on any machine! With QT that is...
Mr. Brown has delivered you a couple of video treats related to customizing the UI. He has some straight forward and effective tips on setting up a very streamline modo.
Tabbed UI
Andy Loves Pie
Happy monday! Talk amongst yourselves. We'll join in.
BP
BTW: I'm up by 6am. My kids make sure of that. But these modcasts don't just make themselves you know! ;)
Message edited by BradPeebler on 11/27/2006 - 2:02 PM
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11/27/2006 - 1:55 PM
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Chicago
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ahaa, here it is,
=)
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11/27/2006 - 1:59 PM
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Chicago, Illinois
358 posts
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Thanks Brad. I hope you had a nice (and much deserved) break. Thanks for the new modocast!
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11/27/2006 - 1:59 PM
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Dublin
6265 posts
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I think thats the wrong mod cast Brad - thats the Nov 17 one. :)
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11/27/2006 - 2:02 PM
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Chicago
182 posts
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wait, isn't this, the modcast, from last week?
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11/27/2006 - 2:02 PM
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San Mateo
1978 posts
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Try again! User error! ;)
BP
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11/27/2006 - 2:04 PM
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Washington, USA
3581 posts
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Love it, downloading now :)
I've got a preemptive question though.
As seen in the 301 animation discussion going on, I've recently watched the 2005 Nexus Siggraph Demo, and was BLOWN AWAY. I've recently been wondering where i should put most of my weight, now that i am learning more and expanding more, i am wanting to plan ahead again. Watching this made me feel better about my modo choice.
After talking to some others aswell, about how big of an impact this video has on someone who may be on the fence regarding modo, why take it off your main site?
I felt like i was buying some illegal drug trying to get ahold of this amazing video, and it does so much more than words regarding where luxology is headed, and how much work is already done..
So yea.. why is this so hidden? Is there an update to come that blows this thing away? This video almost made me buy 201 again :o
Thanks,
Lee
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401 made me switch from Linux to OSX so i could use it. Guess i should be glad it didn't ask for more. :)
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11/27/2006 - 2:10 PM
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ohh, great, I am getting today's sweeety gifts, thank you, but Brad, what about some form of subtitles in modcasts? for us, who have problems listering english? :-)
yeap modo/LW - ..ehh, you laugh at my english, sorry but I`m doing what I can
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11/27/2006 - 2:10 PM
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San Mateo
1978 posts
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Regarding the Sig video: There is info there that is quite dated at this point. Also, this was meant as a "sneak peek" not as an end-all be all marketing piece. So, you don't have an illegal clip, but we have made a decision based on the 201 product cycle to keep all future products and roadmaps internal until we have a firm enough grasp on release dates such that we can provide you with more accurate data as to the content and date of these releases.
As for subtitles: Boy that would be a LOT of work AND you wouldn't get so much practice learning English! ;)
BP
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11/27/2006 - 2:22 PM
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Dublin
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Regarding the video request Brad - I would be all for a service like www.fileplanet.com's where I pay annually which gets me first in line and faster download speeds/no wait times.
The DVD is nice and all, but it costs a small fortune to get it shipped to here (UK) as you mention.
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11/27/2006 - 2:28 PM
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Washington, USA
3581 posts
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Quote from BradPeebler :
Regarding the Sig video: There is info there that is quite dated at this point. Also, this was meant as a "sneak peek" not as an end-all be all marketing piece. So, you don't have an illegal clip, but we have made a decision based on the 201 product cycle to keep all future products and roadmaps internal until we have a firm enough grasp on release dates such that we can provide you with more accurate data as to the content and date of these releases.
As for subtitles: Boy that would be a LOT of work AND you wouldn't get so much practice learning English! ;)
BP
Ah yes, the 201 community debacle. I knew from the communities response that it would close the doors of communication a bit lol.
Thanks for your reply brad, and again, those videos are amazing and made me feel good to see where Luxology is headed. I'm along for the ride.
:)
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401 made me switch from Linux to OSX so i could use it. Guess i should be glad it didn't ask for more. :)
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11/27/2006 - 2:30 PM
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Gold Coast, Australia
548 posts
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Regarding the videos... i think it'd be quite good to have some sort of yearly subscription on them, as opposed to some of the other options.
Just wanna make sure that stuff such as this, isnt beyond the capabilities of the underprivaleged (i would be one of those).
Any joy setting up an RSS feed for the modcasts? :)
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Micky's Law: 'Inspiration will always strike when you're halfway through something else.'
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11/27/2006 - 2:35 PM
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Norway
986 posts
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I´ve listened to your pitch Brad and I am all in for paying for a subscription - but I don´t want others to ´free-load´
I think that if (for example) Andy Brown was to be hired full time to make weekly videos then I would jump on it.
Also, I am really curious to see other types of video.For example - I want to see behind the scenes footage at camp LUX.I want to see an interview with Allen.I want to also see specific videos about UV mapping for people that don´t have a clue about it.
It is a difficult one regarding free stuff.If I pay for a subscription then I don´t want freeloaders to learn at the same rate as I do for free.I feel at some point the users that use your software for commercial purposes should feel they are ´getting ahead´ of the competition, if they are subscribing.
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11/27/2006 - 2:40 PM
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San Mateo
1978 posts
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Yes the question is access. I guess the debacle is that on the one hand we would like to make the content available to everyone. On the other hand, those who pay should get something "extra" for the money.
Maybe standard accounts get access to the content the same as we do today. We load up a server with the materials and people are free to go about pulling it down. Those with the premier accounts get the video in a higher resolution (HD rather than SD) and from a faster connection (multiple servers and seed servers).
The other notion I had about the subscriber account is to allow members a voice in what content is created via voting. Currently you are all at the whims of myself or the good Samaritans who create these clips. In the new model the subscription members would be able to vote on the topics for the materials created. Just an idea.
So if we were to go with a subscription model, what is the acceptable price range? We know roughly what it will cost us to produce and distribute this content. What we do not know is if there are enough people who are willing to subscribe and at what level? Keep in mind that we will put 100% of the subscriptions toward the creation and distribution of this material.
Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
BP
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11/27/2006 - 2:43 PM
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Washington, USA
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Am I Interested?: YES!
Price: Honestly i do not know.. I'm ok for both a fee and/or a subscription, however i don't like monthly fee's so i'd ask if it could be made annual or so. In the end, price for me would depend on the quality and consistency on the content. As far as a max price, i would think about.. 5$ an hour(ish)? I often buy bundles of 20+ hours for around 100$, so i spose thats all i can compare it to. Not my final say by any means.. just a ballpark. I'd also request a inhouse charge method, i hate fileplanet lol.
Distribution Method: Even though i will almost definitely be buying this, i am extremely against putting content for subscribers only. I feel that is against everything i think Luxology is, and even though that is often the way things are done, i do not think it should be done. I can see lower resolution, or perhaps a delayed release, but no content withheld.
I think that covers all the big questions... so yea.. Sounds like a great idea! I do feel that i would want some more advanced videos, and also full project videos. I feel you (brad) cover a lot of the common tips and tricks side of things in your friday updates, and although they are great, a lot can be said for more advanced videos.
So the two things i would like to see from a new modoVision (tele-vision? modoVision? hehe) section is A: Not just Basics, but Advanced Training, and B: Full Project tutorial sets.
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401 made me switch from Linux to OSX so i could use it. Guess i should be glad it didn't ask for more. :)
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11/27/2006 - 2:45 PM
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San Mateo
1978 posts
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Chappo,
Just read your post. Interesting perspective. Thanks for that. Perhaps we could "time shift" some percentage of the materials so that subscribers get access to it first. Of course, this will happen somewhat implicitly. As it stands the servers take a beating on Fridays so some people wait for days before being able to get at it. If subscribers have dedicated servers for the download the "wait time" will go away.
If we imposed a "time shift" on the material what would be acceptable to you as a subscriber? One week? One month?
Oh, I should note that the subscriber servers will be dedicated to subscribers for ALL Luxology downloads including upgrades. This would basically equate to faster access to all Lux content.
BP
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11/27/2006 - 2:47 PM
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San Mateo
1978 posts
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Leefmc,
Yes the idea of bringing on some full time talent to produce material is to increase the quantity AND quality of the material. Someone like Andy or Greg can clearly do much more advanced material than I can in my "spare time".
I agree that the material should always be available to those who do not subscribe. It is the Lux-way. We just have to find a way to make it fair to those who DO pay. :)
BP
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11/27/2006 - 2:50 PM
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Quote from BradPeebler :
As for subtitles: Boy that would be a LOT of work AND you wouldn't get so much practice learning English! ;)
BP
heh, ok, but I guessed I can get "lyrics" of all good "songs" of all "important" well world know stars somewhere at internet, And I counted you in such group. Frank Zappa, Madonna .. Brad .. :-) soo ok, kidding...
But if I good understood today's modcast, there was mentioned better customer support somewhere in middle of speach, yes, I vote for this, I am still waiting for manual :-(, of course I can use eletronic version, but I use printed manual as promo materials on meetings I am on, there is a lot of people and Luxo team, this is your "advertize", there people always love have a possibility to look inside printed book.
ok, that is enough for today, I am back to "decrypting" next sentences from modcast :-), iTunes should have new feature Brad2TXT :-)
yeap modo/LW - ..ehh, you laugh at my english, sorry but I`m doing what I can
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11/27/2006 - 2:53 PM
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Captain Cook, Hawaii
415 posts
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It seems like a subscription service would be the way to go. DVDs are fine for movies, but they are a little inconvenient for something like this.
It seems like those who pay getting a higher quality version or more bandwidth would discourage people from paying at all, it seems like just having more content for those people would be better.
I think if I paid I would not only want a minimum amount of content, but I would want to know it is of a certain level. I wouldn't want to pay to get a bunch of videos on something I already know. I would want to be able to subscribe to an advanced user service. I'm sure people new to the program would want a beginer oriented service.
Also I would be all for a low per person fee. I believe iTunes success comes from this model. I've bought way more albums since they opened their store. Prior to that it was more money than I could ever justify to buy a CD. It seems like a $5 a month fee would get far more people to subscribe than a $20 fee. It seems like in the long run, more people at $5 would be better than fewer at $20. If this community is really 50,000 people big, that would be a lot of money. Even if only half subscribed.
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11/27/2006 - 2:54 PM
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89 posts
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I would pay for a subscription that posted videos like the Gnomon workshop - very in depth, project based tutorials. Maybe the subscribers would get access a few months before they were realeased as free content?
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11/27/2006 - 2:55 PM
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Norway
986 posts
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Brad,
I understand the problem from your marketing view.You want ALL to learn Modo asap.I accept that.
My point is that I am working as a freelancer to try and stay ahead of the competition.If you ask me to pay for something that will help me stay ahead, then I am all in.What I don´t like however, is that maybe 1 month later somebody looking to challenge my business, will learn it for free.
I spend an enormous amount of time trying to learn your app. in my free time.For commercial users this ´free time´ is nothing compared to a student (without kids etc)
So, if I pay, I want it mine.
Sorry for being brutal.
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11/27/2006 - 2:58 PM
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San Mateo
1978 posts
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I would fall on the floor if 25,000 people subscribed. And we would need a LOT of servers. ;) Obviously iTunes has an interesting model but the scale is so vastly different. We are really niche. I don't think we could do it for less than $25 a month per person really and that might be a stretch by my estimations. Keep in mind the 60,000 member community is not all registered modo users. There are imageSynth and eval users as well.
You bring up an interesting point that I had not considered. With iTunes you pay per song not for access. Perhaps that is a more appropriate model. Now this method WOULD cause us to restrict access to paying customers but would also allow you to pick which content you pay for. Maybe $1 to $10 per video depending on length and complexity. And/Or some volume purchase options (annual fee for "all you can eat").
So many ideas!
BP
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11/27/2006 - 3:00 PM
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Alberta, Canada
101 posts
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In regards to the subscription service, I think a project based approach would work well. For instance, take major projects from beginning to end. This would be something that is different from the small unrelated clips that are provided for free. Downloading would be the way to go rather than DVDs - I could burn my own DVDs, if I want to archive those. However, I have to be honest, I probably wouldn't pay for the service myself. I have plenty of learning materials that I don't have time to look at now but I am a casual user of the Modo, so not necessarily representative.
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11/27/2006 - 3:02 PM
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Washington, USA
3581 posts
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If i may chime in twice,
I think it is a good idea to do extra content for pay members only. Not "TRAINING", but interviews of the lux crew, videos of the HQ, etc. Stuff that only us overly obsessed modonauts would enjoy haha.
*edit*
You said 25$ per month, i can handle that.. depending on the hours of video. What are you figuring for that?
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401 made me switch from Linux to OSX so i could use it. Guess i should be glad it didn't ask for more. :)
Message edited by Lee Olayvar on 11/27/2006 - 3:05 PM
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11/27/2006 - 3:02 PM
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San Mateo
1978 posts
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Marlo,
You are representative! There are many different kinds of modo users that we must consider. This is good info. Thanks for the feedback.
BP
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11/27/2006 - 3:03 PM
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